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Sorrel: Today is a special edition where I'm talking to my fellow candidate for the APMs Board of Trustees, Darren Jaundrill. If you're a full member or a fellow you should have got your nomination packs through in the last few weeks and we thought we'd just have a bit of a chat about what we think about the project management world at the moment. We hope this will give you a feel of both of our candidacies.
Darren: Sorrel you said before you've only recently sort of entered the profession and entered this world what prompted you to go for the APM board? That's quite a big commitment to make.
Sorrel: Oh no, right. I was chatting to someone at an event a couple of weeks ago and he was saying, “What’s your elevator pitch?” and I went, “I don’t know.”
Darren: Let’s do it now, we can jam this.
Sorrel: I was sort of drawn to the board because as a newer member, so last year I was a student member in January, I became an associate member in February and then became a full member in April I think it was. So last year I sort of covered a good few types of membership and I'm now looking at fellowship because I do technically have ten years of project experience to see if I've gone to that level and it's I think the board needs that diversity and it needs somebody who in recent times has experienced the modern apprenticeships, has experienced and has a bit more experience around sort of the technology I'm really into social media and not just of LinkedIn but Facebook and Reddit and Twitter and just chatting to people on boards and things and seeing how people communicate and I just thought I had I have a lot to give in that sort of communication sphere and I talked to a lot of people and I feel like I understand a lot of how people see the APM and I'd like to sort of introduce that to the board and see how that can be integrated into what they're doing already.
Darren: Well I think that's great and I think that's you know going back to what we've talked about before about the communities of practice that's what we need you know we need to be unlocking different areas of our community and sometimes those communities that are there but we just some reason aren't quite tapping in, my own sort of the reasons for it are pretty much what we've been talking about you know I am very passionate about apprenticeships, I'm very passionate about how we develop our professional standing and how we develop ourselves and develop the profession and making sure that we are as inclusive as we can and making sure that we if people are at the heart of all projects and people need to be at the heart of the professional body and we need to be absolutely certain we've got you know the membership at the heart of it and the membership is made up of many different facets from the branches to the significant interest groups to young people to the veterans of the profession. If you ever want to have an enlightening conversation to sit with Martin Barnes and just let him talk about what he's been doing in his career it's just absolutely mind-boggling but you know we get all of that and we have to put it right at the middle and we have to accept that their needs and their wants and their desires are going to change over time and we're going to make sure we've got the right mechanisms in place to do that so whilst also making sure that we we're always on to the next big thing that we never stopped. We don't just sort of say right actually you know let's just let's just stop let's just you know quiet and down a bit and just you know you know sustain make it sustainable and just slow it down, actually we need to be think about what's the next big thing what's the next big aspirational thing that we can aim for. You know I've got sort of a personal thing that you know before I finished my professional career I want to have created a national center for project management someone that has all the things in it so it's helping to deliver apprenticeships or it's helping to advise universities on graduate schemes or it's having the you know the really quite learner debates that go on around project management actually facilitating those and it's a place that people can go to and say I need some advice on I know where I can go a national center of project management and that's something that that's has been in the back of my mind for quite some time now I was hoping we've delivered through engage but it wasn't to be but I'm absolutely certain that at some point in my life I would have done that and be a APM or at the core of that and making sure that it's you know it is this professional body that is always working on the next big thing.
Sorrel: I love that, and hopefully sort of going forward there is so much excitement with the APM and there's so much it's quite an exciting career generally. Once it gets built up it will be quite easy to maintain enthusiastic younger people who really are the people who quite often drive organizations is you need a few younger people who are still relatively new still relatively excited not jaded by politics or anything and to come in and have those ideas and they're more likely to see what the next steps should or could be and we're a perfect profession to do that we build amazing things we build rockets, gardens, buildings we do everything and it's a really exciting profession to be sort of at the forefront of
Darren: Yeah and it's well suited to the current generation coming through. I mean all of the research we read about the gig economy in there and the current generation is that they're going to be very transient so the days of someone who joins a job and stays in that job for their entire of their career are actually becoming less and less likely that actually it's going to be a very transient and kind of work force well that's perfect for project management because that's what project management is you know we are very transient so actually you can attract that talent because you can move them around the different projects its although they might be within one organization are actually working on lots of different projects during their career so I think we're well suited to that I think we just need to make sure that as a profession we're set up for it and that we have got those mechanisms in place that not only do we you know aim high and we were relentless in pursuing it but actually we're open to that challenge and that we've got those mechanisms in place to produce that challenge and that we are inclusive and the people feel that they can just come along or they or they can join the profession you know we have to look at how accessible is it and that when someone has joined what happens to them then do we guide them through is there someone who makes contact with them having local branch you know what happens to make sure that person hasn't just joined to say yes I'm a member of the APM I've got my card I know the website but actually what are we doing to encourage them to challenge us as a profession to add their input into it continuously develop our own understanding and our bodies of knowledge but also actually that we can add things to them and it really excites me that opportunity to be able to look at that and I hate to use the word holistic but I use it a lot that holistic view of the profession and how we continue it moving forward is really exciting and I think this board election will be really interesting I think we'll get some interesting people being elected to the board and that can only be a good thing particularly now you know we got chartered it's there great that's you know project management right up there now we've got to decide well now we've got it what are we going to do with it.
Darren: and what are we going to do to move it forward and that's the exciting thing.
Sorrel: It's one of those things that I think at the moment you can't look too far ahead you can have an idea of what to do in the next couple of years but it's things are changing quite fast and they need to settle down a little bit more as well there's so many things that could be done and the APM is world does need to I come up with these that word is for it but look at all the things it could be doing and choose the most impactful ones that they can to do because you can't do everything and it's going to be quite a challenge to choose which things whether it is going into schools and colleges whether it's I know there's talk of a project measurement GCSE whether it's bringing together the corporate partners and getting them to talk to each other and talking to them or whether it's to do with charted in the qualifications and sort of getting that stamp of credibility on all the project professionals out there there's just there's so many different things they could be doing and it is definitely gonna be really hard to work out where to go first.
Darren: Yeah I think you're right and I think that you know you know although I keep going on about you know driving forward and doing new things that there's always that need to consolidate and one of my old, I wouldn’t say old because she's listening to this she will seek me out and batter me but you know one of my former non-executive directors used to constantly say to me we need to consolidate we need to make sure that we we're firm in in our approach in our belief and she was always right and I can say that there publicly she was always right but I'm a natural innovator and natural disrupter and I like to find new ways of doing things and understanding things and generating new stuff so I always need to make sure in any organization where I'm a leader I need to make sure that I've got so that you know my number one and my number two is definitely a consolidator to helps us balance that out the good thing is I'm self-aware of that.
Darren: ..so in theory that should work.
Sorrel: And I definitely feel like I’m on that end of the spectrum I like to just try new things and if it's my own business I just jump in there and take the risks and I hope they work I'm very much that sort of person. Obviously if you're looking after a business for someone else a little bit you know at work and things I don't do random stuff and I but I do truly believe at the moment the APM is at a point where it needs a slightly higher percentage of those sort of people it needs to be a bit disruptive it's done it's solid chartership and yes there's a board as a whole it will need some people to hold people like ours back but it does need a bit of oomph and a bit of there's this new thing happened let's go do it.
Darren: Yeah I mean the thing you were saying about the GCSE I'm aware of that work I'm hoping to be involved in that work and actually we did some trials back when we were doing the major program friendship with some local schools and some UTC's around that as well yeah that's really exciting to me I can think of nothing better for us as a profession that you know young people at the age of 13 14 15 you know when they're asked that question what do you want to be when you're older you know I want to be a I want to be a pilot I want to be in the military I want to be a you know it it'll be great excel and be a project manager and they I shouldn't stand what that is so you know that we were right up there they understand what project management is you know I think that would be that would be a great thing for the profession.
Sorrel: Before we finish what is your final message?
Darren: So my main message I think right now is that project management is going places, we all know that it is and because of that we need to make sure that we've got the right balance and the right people and the right ideas coming right from the top right at the board of trustees at the professional body and so I think that it's just really important that everybody out there who's a full member or a fellow who has that vote make sure that they use it this year-round because it is really critical in how we're now going to take chartership forward to the next level.
Sorrel: Thank you for listening to Sorrel’s PM Times, if you want to listen to the full
episode it’ll be out in the next week. If you want to contact either of us, we both have Twitter, mine is Times_PM and Darren's is Darren Jaudrill it's just his name basically. I'll put links to both of our Twitter's and LinkedIn pages in the show notes. Bye.